454 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 8:46pm Subject: Version 1.030 is here: http://www.thredworks.com/linkal.htm Hi gang, We hope you will each receive an e-mail from "Thredsrv" telling you this, but since we are not confident that our database has every name, I will say it again. The new version of Thred is waiting for you to download it: http://www.thredworks.com/linkal.htm This one has the new clipboard code. Select "fill/Clipboard/vertical" also "angle or horizontal". This kind will not squeeze your clip to fit it into corners or curves. The old kind is still there too. There is also code which is intended to fix the "skinny screen" problem that has been reported by three users. There is a Please don't hesitate to let us know if you find any odd behavior from the program. Alfie -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA mailto:mmcky@p... 455 From: Lyn Waring Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 8:49pm Subject: Re: Where to find ThredEx01 (January) bmps Thank you Alfie - don't you guys sleep. it is 1.10pm Wed 10/1/01 --- In Thredheads@egroups.com, Alfie McCoskey mmcky@p... wrote: > Bmps are on the Thredworks website: > > http://www.thredworks.com/jan01.htm > > Alf > > > Lyn Waring wrote: > > > Hello Amy and all: > > > > Amy, a very big thank you for your step by step > > instructions. I am > > a 'lurker' to this page and I 'play' with THRED but > > still haven't got > > the 'hang of it'. The 'layers' confuse me a > > bit!!!!!!! > > > > I have 'cut and pasted' you postings re 'beginning' > > but where to I > > find the BMP - At first I thought is was your lovely > > Antique doll and > > now I think it is a 'bell'. Please, could you tell > > me where to find > > whatever BMP file I would be using to following you > > excellent > > directions. It must take you ages to write it down, > > I certainly > > appreciate you time. > > > > I have Husqvarna Pro System 5 and it is still a 'long > > road' learning > > the programme. I am getting there, slowly. > > > > Best wishes, > > Lyn Waring. Cottesloe. Western Australia. > > mailto:lynwaring@h... > > http://www.lynwaring.com > > > > -- > Alfie McCoskey, > Chico, CA 456 From: David & Sandy Erickson Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 8:49pm Subject: Thred Ex >OK, Sandy, you're assigned one design by February > first... if you wanna.< Oh I have to get the program first. I sent off my check to the group buy, so I'll get a key soon...... Now am I crazy or what? Did I see somewhere a design done with Thred that had bullion knots making up flowers? I thought I did but can't find it. sandy 457 From: Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 3:54pm Subject: Amy's instructions Thank you, thank you, Amy------I have sent my check in for the Thred program and have been trying to play with the demo and not having much luck-----I think your instructions are "just the ticket" to understanding the basics-----Edithe in Dallas TX 458 From: Lyn Waring Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 9:20pm Subject: Resize 'belle' Hello again: I downloaded the .BMP - not a problem - When I selected the hoop size for 'belle' as 100 X 100, it cut of her skirt. Sooooooooo, I opened the BMP in 'MS Paint' and resized her to 43% and saved as 'belle sml'. Clever hey! (go to IMAGE - stretch & sckew - and change horizontal and vertical to 43%) IT WORKED. I feel as though I have learned something today. YES!!!!!! I really have to go and work on something else at the moment - I'll be back. Thank you. Best wishes, mailto:lynwaring@h... http://www.lynwaring.com 459 From: Lyn Waring Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 9:25pm Subject: Re: Thred Ex Go to http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thrindex1.html Have fun! Best wishes, Lyn Waring. Cottesloe. Western Australia mailto:lynwaring@h... http://www.lynwaring.com --- In Thredheads@egroups.com, David & Sandy Erickson jhondo_and_sandy@c... wrote: > > >OK, Sandy, you're assigned one design by February > > first... if you wanna.< > > Oh I have to get the program first. I sent off my check to the group buy, > so I'll get a key soon...... > Now am I crazy or what? Did I see somewhere a design done with Thred > that had bullion knots making up flowers? I thought I did but can't find > it. > sandy 460 From: Judi Jaksa Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 9:29pm Subject: ThredEX Projects Hello to all, I purchased THREDS several months ago. Since I joined this egroup, I have been watching from the sidelines. This is a great group of very helpful people. Since I retired this past June, I have thrown myself into the "digitizing" world. I love to create designs from bmp's. I know this software will save me many hours of digitizing if I just learn how to use it. I have tried to work on the software in between all the embroidered Christmas projects(everyone got a shirt or a towel with a design). This monthly project is a great idea. I have saved all the previous emails from Amy and the links to the lessons from Caroline. I promised myself that I would learn this software this month so this project idea is great!! I hope to participate every month. Thanks, Judi in Dallas,Texas 461 From: Caroline Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 00:02am Subject: Re: Resize 'belle' Lyn, you wrote: <<<>>>> About sizes of bitmaps, I've found the actual size of the bitmap is irrelevant. For example, if you have your pref set to large hoop, then load a bitmap, if you then set pref to small hoop, it will not resize the bitmap, but lose some of it. However, if you set pref to small hoop, then reload the bitmap, Thred will automatically show the correct bitmap size. To demonstrate this to myself, I had a bitmap of a chickie. I started one copy of Thred, changed my pref to Custom / 10 x 10, then loaded bitmap. I then started another copy, changed my pref to Small Hoop, then loaded bitmap. I then started a third copy, changed my pref to Large Hoop, then loaded bitmap. On all three copies the chickie was exactly the same size. When I changed the Large Hoop one to be Small Hoop without reloading, half my chickie disappeared (all I had to do was reload bitmap). So you don't need to stretch them - just reload them. Caroline on the Gold Coast, Australia caroline@a... http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html 462 From: Date: Tue Jan 9, 2001 11:12pm Subject: Re: I'm Here!!!!!!!!!! Hi Vanessa, Tell your DH he needs to feed you because we cannot have you fainting (LOL). I am really looking forward to your new videos on Threds and Embird. I recently bought both programs and I really want to learn both. After that, I have my eyes on Sfumato. Shirley In a message dated 1/9/01 10:40:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, vpage@a... writes: > > Hi Shirley > I'm here!!!!!! As usual strapped to the computer. LOL > With a bit of luck my DH will bring my lunch. Well he would if he wasn't out > playing Golf. Oh Well I'll just have to get my own lunch. I have been > working on more videos this morning one on Thred, one on Embird. > > Got to go before I faint from lack of food. > > Bye and thanks for the support. > > Vanessa > 463 From: Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 1:38am Subject: ThredEx I have only the trial version of Thred so can't save a design. I'm in the evaluation stage. I've viewed the simple lessons that show how to do shapes and then fill them but I'm looking for more lessons that take you through the basics of doing a simple bitmap with various fills and angles -- to borrow a phrase -- a 1 - 2 - 3 type of lesson. Is there such a thing? I'm verging on the "expert" user of the Janome Digitizer 2000 (now the 10000) and on the Singer PSW. However, I love toys and want all I can get (if I can use them). Any help out there? Phyllis Whipple Never test the depth of the water with both feet. 464 From: Karen Christensen Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 7:33am Subject: Re: Version 1.030 is here: http://www.thredworks.com/linkal.htm I can only find a link for version 1.029. Am I missing something? Thanks Karen kec@h... www.huntel.net/sewcreative [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 465 From: Peri Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 7:47am Subject: HOW do I: add stitches reading the manual I see I can add stitches to the start (home + CTRL) or the end (end + CTRL) ok once I select either one of the above, what is next ? as I can't find it in the manual. I'm search the html manual for the words "insert" / "add" but have not found the answer. I'm not trying to add points in the form but rather manual stitches "here and there" - 466 From: Peri Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 7:51am Subject: Re: Version 1.030 is here: http://www.thredworks.com/linkal.htm just download the ones that says 1.029 because it is actually 1.30 they didn't change the website yet. Karen Christensen wrote: > > I can only find a link for version 1.029. Am I missing something? > Thanks > Karen > kec@h... > www.huntel.net/sewcreative > 467 From: Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 2:54am Subject: Re: Version 1.030 is here: http://www.thredworks.com/linkal.htm Thred Demo 468 From: Joyce Iverson Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 9:14am Subject: Re: Re:ThredEx Basics2 Amy, I am learning all kinds of things from your lessons here!! but this step has me confused and I haven't been able to find out about it in the manual. When I hit the space bar, I get a needle and one strand, the long jump doesn't do anything, do I just add stitches along the jump line and what happens to the long jump? > 8. Hit the spacebar key and insert stitches to change the big 'ol jump > stitch to nice, neat understitching. > Also in the 3rd lesson, drawing the lace and doing the Fill (not File)>border>Clipboard and my lace came in (neat!!) it didn't fill the whole line, but leaves the last segment free--is that normal, or should I add one more segment to the line? Till I have some more questions, Joyce 469 From: Thred Customer Service Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 9:30am Subject: Re: Version 1.30 rotate command Marion figured out what causes this problem. Do not hold the "Tab" key while you rotate. If you just tap the "Tab" key, then rotate, it works correctly. Alf Peri wrote: > when I use the rotate, while turning the object the area becomes > unclear with what I am doing. I am attempting to rotate the object on > the right. Alfie McCoskey Chico, CA mailto:mmcky@p... http://www.thredworks.com/ http://lyris.quiltropolis.com/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=thredtalk 470 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 9:48am Subject: bmps In this situation, I would find my bmp files by using the Windows Explorer. If you know the folder they are in, you can go directly there, or you can use "Start/Find" route, then type the file name. Did you unzip them already? They must be decompressed. We use the Zip compression so the download time will be shorter. I open two copies of WinExplorer and right drag my file from the original to the folder I created to contain my Thred files. When it gets there, the box says, "Move" or "Copy". You can do either, but choosing copy means you will still have it in the other folder. You can use the destination folder that you prefer, but remember where it is so you can keep the design there. Thred will look for the bmp in the same folder where you save the design. Keep them together. It seems best to me to make a new folder for each design group. I didn't start out doing that, but now I do. I learned by looking through huge folders of different versions. You need to do housekeeping on these files when you decide the design is really finished. If you come back later to delete versions with problems in them, it's hard to remember which is good. Thred makes back ups for you , and you should delete unneeded ones or your computer will get too slow. Use "File/Delete backups", but not until you are sure you won't need them. I often keep one or two, but when I make designs I'm apt to make a dozen versions before I'm happy. That makes a mess after a while. Then open Thred and use "File/Load Bitmap" and begin making forms for your design. Amy wrote good step by step instructions yesterday. You can probably read those on your computer, ot you can go to eGroups to see them, if you deleted the old messages. Good luck, Alf -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA mailto:mmcky@p... http://www.thredworks.com/ http://lyris.quiltropolis.com/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=thredtalk swissmissj@a... wrote: > I am also very interested in your learning program. > The bmp's are in my > paint program (psp) now what do I do? This really > sounds like fun, so please > count me in. > swissmissj@a... 471 From: Peri Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 10:05am Subject: Re: Re: Version 1.30 rotate command That doesn't help me, as I did not even touch the TAB key. So, I just tried it again. This time I tap the TAB key, then attempt to rotate, and I STILL get this problem. Thred Customer Service wrote: > > Marion figured out what causes this problem. Do not hold the "Tab" key > while you rotate. If you just tap the "Tab" key, then rotate, it works > correctly. > > Alf > > Peri wrote: > > > when I use the rotate, while turning the object the area becomes > > unclear with what I am doing. I am attempting to rotate the object on > > the right. > > Alfie McCoskey > Chico, CA 472 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 9:53am Subject: Re:bullion stitch flowers The bullion stitch flowers are at Caroline's site. That can be reached by using our links page. Use the link at the bottom of my e-mail to get to Thredworks, then the "Links" button. Caroline's Adventures with Thred is the first link under Thredheads, but I'll put it here too: http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html. David & Sandy Erickson wrote: > Did I see somewhere a design done with Thred > that had bullion knots making up flowers? I thought > I did but can't find it. > sandy -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA mailto:mmcky@p... http://www.thredworks.com/ http://lyris.quiltropolis.com/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=thredtalk 473 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 9:58am Subject: Re: OT sleep, who me? Hi Lyn, We sleep a few hours at night, sometimes an afternoon nap. But we're in California, so it was only midnight. Marion tends to work at night, when life's little distractions are asleep. Speaking of which, I'm doing an emergency baby sitting favor this afternoon. My oldest grandkid needs a root canal, and his three siblings need a lion tamer with chair to watch them while the dentist does his work. Alf Lyn Waring wrote: > Thank you Alfie - don't you guys sleep. it is 1.10pm > Wed 10/1/01 > -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA mailto:mmcky@p... http://www.thredworks.com/ http://lyris.quiltropolis.com/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=thredtalk 474 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 10:11am Subject: Re: Resize 'belle' You did fine resizing the bmp, and there are times when you would need that skill. But you could have simply reloaded the bitmap after you set the custom hoop size, too. Sorry that you have to do that, but it does work. If you think about it from the programmer's point of view, you will see why he has to do it that way. I know it's hard to think like a programmer. I've been trying for 23 years. Lyn Waring wrote: > Hello again: > > I downloaded the .BMP - not a problem - When I > selected the hoop size > for 'belle' as 100 X 100, it cut of her skirt. > > Sooooooooo, I opened the BMP in 'MS Paint' and > resized her to 43% and > saved as 'belle sml'. Clever hey! (go to IMAGE - > stretch & sckew - > and change horizontal and vertical to 43%) IT > WORKED. > > I feel as though I have learned something today. > YES!!!!!! > > I really have to go and work on something else at the > moment - I'll > be back. Thank you. > > Best wishes, > mailto:lynwaring@h... > http://www.lynwaring.com 475 From: Amy Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 10:31am Subject: Re: Digest Number 59 Good Grief... If you are following my instructions exactly, you probably had a pretty mess on your hands. While most of it is pretty clear, it seems I skipped a few important steps. Set the preferences first...before you load the .bmp. Be sure that you have the correct hoop size, density-fill spacing (I have been using about .35). The rest of the setting can be changed as you digitize...for example fill ends squared for underlay and pointed for a final fill or, changing the angle of the fill. If you really want to know what each preference does, play with it a bit. Create a small form and fill it, then mess with the preferences and watch what happens with the design. Layers are important just so that you can see what you are doing. With this program, you can use the same form for both a fill and an outline...but you might want to set a similar form with underlay stitching. When the Thred file is converted to .pcs, it sews out without the layers, but it is nice to be able to see where the outline should go! (In PCD Win, some of us use a new design to do the outline and then insert it to the original file, just so we can see the design...this saves that whole step). Plus you can sort and manipulate the parts of the design much better. Be sure not to start on the ALL layer, though. That puts a copy on every layer and makes finding a clear view much harder. Anyway, I did get the appliqué design for Belle finished yesterday, but haven't had time to sew her out. Looks good in the "movies" anyway. One more thing about the flowers, I did a green "background" of a plain fill and then set the stitching for the colored parts of the flowers over the top. Since this is such a small area placing the whole stem and flower individually would not give as good a look as just simulating it...what you would see from a distance. A couple of nice satin stitched leaves over the top and Voila....a basket of flowers. You could also do a wonderful fill on the hat and basket, using the clipboard fills. It would be nice to give it a real look of woven straw! I didn't do that....yet...guess I might try it with the new version of the program. Amy Webster GO SEW! http://www.napanet.net/~atwebs atwebs@n... 476 From: susan christoffersen Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 11:17am Subject: Thred Hi: I thought I saw reference to a new version of Thred being posted. I checked the site a day or so ago and the latest seems to be 1.29--is there a newer version. Also I thought that updates to the manual were going to be posted separately. Is this the case? I am in the process of purchasing Thred so want to have the latest versions, changes to manual etc. Can't wait to be able to use the full version (i.e. save stuff too). Sue [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 477 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 11:00am Subject: Re:simple tutorials Phyllis, there are several lessons on Caroline's website, and we have made some too, but for some reason, we don't seem good at teaching simple things. Use the link below my signature to get to our website, then use the "Links" button. Caroline's lessons and anessa's videos are very helpful. We have several things we've done which are on our site and might be of use. Try the Downloads page. There are several free designs with descriptions of how I did them. While they are more complex, you can learn by walking through the design using the movie and "Up To". We keep remembering we meant to change the tutorial button, which is not the best path to most of our lessons, but we are working hard. Not enough days nor hours in a day. -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA Whipplep@a... wrote: > I have only the trial version of Thred so can't save > a design. I'm in the > evaluation stage. > > I've viewed the simple lessons that show how to do > shapes and then fill them > but I'm looking for more lessons that take you > through the basics of doing a > simple bitmap with various fills and angles -- to > borrow a phrase -- a 1 - 2 > - 3 type of lesson. Is there such a thing? I'm > verging on the "expert" user > of the Janome Digitizer 2000 (now the 10000) and on > the Singer PSW. However, > I love toys and want all I can get (if I can use > them). > > Any help out there? > > Phyllis Whipple > Never test the depth of the water with both feet. 478 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 10:51am Subject: Re: Resize 'belle' Caroline, you would make a good scientist. I love the proof. Alf Caroline wrote: > To demonstrate this to myself, I had a bitmap of a > chickie. I started one > copy of Thred, changed my pref to Custom / 10 x 10, > then loaded bitmap. I > then started another copy, changed my pref to Small > Hoop, then loaded > bitmap. I then started a third copy, changed my pref > to Large Hoop, then > loaded bitmap. On all three copies the chickie was > exactly the same size. > When I changed the Large Hoop one to be Small Hoop > without reloading, half > my chickie disappeared (all I had to do was reload > bitmap). > > So you don't need to stretch them - just reload them. > > Caroline on the Gold Coast, Australia > caroline@a... > http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA 479 From: Peri Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 11:31am Subject: Re: Thred just download the version that says 1.029 , it is actually 1.30 ( the web site has not yet been updated ) The manual is downloaded separately. susan christoffersen wrote: Hi: I thought I saw reference to a new version of Thred being posted. I checked the site a day or so ago and the latest seems to be 1.29--is there a newer version. Also I thought that updates to the manual were going to be posted separately. Is this the case? I am in the process of purchasing Thred so want to have the latest versions, changes to manual etc. Can't wait to be able to use the full version (i.e. save stuff too). Sue 480 From: mckyyy Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 12:17pm Subject: Peri's Rotate Problem Hi Peri, I am puzzled about your rotate problem. We don't see a similar problem here, and, so far, we haven't had any other complaints of this nature. The rotate code writes the rotate box by changing the color of the pixels in the box. Then when the user changes the position of the box, the code changes the pixels back to the original color before it writes the new box. This technique is also used for many other things like moving forms and stitches, or just about anyplace the user drags something around on the screen. Re-writing the whole screen would be too slow for this situation. Do you notice a similar effect for any of these other operations? Perhaps you might want to consider downloading the latest version of Thred again? Could you tell us what operating system you use and what kind of computer? Thanks, Marion 481 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 11:20am Subject: Re:Joyce's questions Hi Joyce, I'm not Amy, but I have a couple comments. Joyce Iverson wrote: > Amy, I am learning all kinds of things from your > lessons here!! but this > step has me confused and I haven't been able to find > out about it in the > manual. When I hit the space bar, I get a needle and > one strand, the long > jump doesn't do anything, do I just add stitches > along the jump line and > what happens to the long jump? You need to put your cursor where you want the stitch and then left click for each stitch. Also in the 3rd lesson, drawing the lace and doing the Fill (not > File)>border>Clipboard and my lace came in (neat!!) > it didn't fill the whole > line, but leaves the last segment free--is that > normal, or should I add one > more segment to the line? Clipboard borders won't make half of a clip, so you should make the form longer, or you might edit it by hand. I hope this helps, Alf -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA 482 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 12:24pm Subject: Re: about layers About layers: Amy wrote: When the Thred file is converted to .pcs, it sews out without the layers, but it is nice to be able to see where the outline should go! Just in case someone is confused, Thred stitches what you put on the layers, but PCD won't show the layers. It will stitch them. > Anyway, I did get the appliqué design for Belle > finished yesterday, but > haven't had time to sew her out. Looks good in the > "movies" anyway. I have gotten several designs in my e-mail today, and I have my own to stitch out too, so my embroidery machines will be busy tonight. It will take me some time to get the web pages organized, but I will begin adding designs when I get the page done, and then can add in small groups as they come in.. It looks like there are going to be lots of designs to put up. I am going to do the simple bitmap web page right now. TTYL, Alf *********** Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA 483 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 12:33pm Subject: Re: Thred Maybe you need to Hit "Refresh" in your browser window. Version 1.030 is up and the manual update too- the manual link looks the same, but the file is the new one. Marion tells me he checked, but I haven't. I'm glad to see the group buy members joining us. Alf susan christoffersen wrote: > Hi: I thought I saw reference to a new version of > Thred being posted. I checked the site a day or so > ago and the latest seems to be 1.29--is there a newer > version. Also I thought that updates to the manual > were going to be posted separately. Is this the > case? I am in the process of purchasing Thred so > want to have the latest versions, changes to manual > etc. Can't wait to be able to use the full version > (i.e. save stuff too). > Sue -- Alfie McCoskey, 484 From: Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 1:10pm Subject: Need Info I haven't been downloading all the program updates, will the latest update still work? The last update on your web page is Vs 1.29 but your email says Vs 1.3 is the latest. which is corrent? -- Pat in Maryland-have MAC will surf http://www.needleinmotion.com ***mailto:patc@e... *** http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/1431 A TBI Caregiver - Walking the Walk TBI/ABI info site: http://www.tbinet.org 485 From: susan christoffersen Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 3:11pm Subject: Thred lessons Hi: I saw reference to some Thred lessons by Amy Webster. As I, too, am purchasing Thred I would be very interested in the lessons. I have played with the demo version and can do a few things, but a lot of stuff is a mystery. Where can I access the lessons please? Thanks. Sue 486 From: Caroline Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 2:45pm Subject: Layers Just to jump in on the layers discussion (not that there was one particularly!) - I think the confusing thing about layers is the name 'layers'. When you put a form on 'layer 1', and a 2nd one on 'layer 2', one would logically expect layer 2 to stitch out on top of layer 1. Not so. If you think about 'layers' as 'areas' (although there must be a better word), then it becomes less confusing. P.S. Love the new clipboard fill too. P.P.S. (alfie - I'm not a scientist, but a classicist (latin & greek) ) Caroline on the Gold Coast, Australia caroline@a... http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html 487 From: Caroline Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 2:46pm Subject: Re: HOW do I: add stitches Peri, You wrote: <<>> I wasn't sure if your question was answered specifically, so: To add stitches here and there in the middle of the design, you put your mouse cursor next to the stitch where you want to insert, and press the space bar. When you move your mouse cursor now, you will see a 'rubber band line' attached to your mouse, and when you left click, you will get a stitch there. The 'rubber band' stays, so you can insert lots of stitches, until you press , 'Q' or right click. Caroline on the Gold Coast, Australia caroline@a... http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html 488 From: Lyn Waring Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 4:22pm Subject: Re: Layers Hello Caroline: 'whatever' - you are very generous in sharing your knowledge of THRED! Believe me, I could have only 'resized' my way, before your explaination. Thank you. I will concentrate on 'layers' - all the step by step instructions certainly help me understand the THRED programme. I really like to know 'why' I am doing something - I think this is why it is taking me so long to 'get a handle' on digitizing, in general. I will stick at it. Once again thank you EVERYONE! Best wishes, Lyn Waring. Cottesloe. Western Australia mailto:lynwaring@h... http://www.lynwaring.com --- In Thredheads@egroups.com, "Caroline" caroline@a... wrote: > Just to jump in on the layers discussion (not that there was one > particularly!) - > > I think the confusing thing about layers is the name 'layers'. When you put > a form on 'layer 1', and a 2nd one on 'layer 2', one would logically expect > layer 2 to stitch out on top of layer 1. Not so. > > If you think about 'layers' as 'areas' (although there must be a better > word), then it becomes less confusing. > > P.S. Love the new clipboard fill too. > P.P.S. (alfie - I'm not a scientist, but a classicist (latin & greek) ) > > Caroline on the Gold Coast, Australia > caroline@a... > http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html 489 From: Joyce Sutton Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 4:39pm Subject: Re: Layersand lessons all greek Actually finally tried to follow Amy's lessons. They sounded easy enough for anyone. WELL almost anyone. Have to show my ignorance in order to go any further. 1. I downloaded the update, AND the bmps AND unzipped them to the new folder. After all I have owned and run a computer successfully for over 10 yrs. (Thank you I needed that boost) 2. I opened the new version of thred and loaded the Bmp with out problems. 3. Now bearing in mind that I have absolutely no experience with with any graphics programs in any way . I began to trace the bmp. I had read all the letters for the last 3 months . I can do this right? I zoomed and traced until my image went off the screen . It did not scroll on up tried to use mouse to move screen. it did left my bmp somewhere else and a long line where I clik the arrow. undo is not highlighted but I tried anyway NOW I have another long line to that button --hit escape- nothing. --read help nothing about tracing bmps, just loading and hiding. printed the pdf manual in real paper, (I seem to do better that way0 but there was nothing in there. either just the help files in print. Stopped and watched the 4 videos from Vanessa. She did not address it. I have the tuturiols printed out. Does one of them address the VERY BASIC issue of how to trace the bmps and handle that cross hair from hell that won't turn loose?? If so please tell me which one and I will do it first.. I thought this was supposed to be more user friendly than the Bro program?? for idiots like me. Please do NOT tell me to get another program to learn to use bmps. Too much money has already been spent unless I can really use it . JOY Ozark Quilting Traditions Ozarkjoy@m... ult 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline" caroline@a... To: Thredheads@egroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: [Thredheads] Layers > If you think about 'layers' as 'areas' (although there must be a better > word), then it becomes less confusing. > > P.S. Love the new clipboard fill too. > P.P.S. (alfie - I'm not a scientist, but a classicist (latin & greek) ) > > Caroline on the Gold Coast, Australia > caroline@a... > http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html > 490 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 7:12pm Subject: Version control and new bitmaps No Karen, it's me who was missing something. However, I fixed it. The correct version of the program was behind the link, but Marion had forgotten to change the webpage to read V.1.030. I did that while I was rearranging the ThredX pages, and uploading a pair of simpler bitmaps. The heart might lead to some complex designs, even though the bitmap is simple. There's a lot you can do with Thred to make a Valentine. http://www.thredworks.com/jan01.htm Alf Karen Christensen wrote: > I can only find a link for version 1.029. Am I > missing something? Thanks > Karen > kec@h... > www.huntel.net/sewcreative -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA mailto:mmcky@p... http://www.thredworks.com/ http://www.egroups.com/group/Thredheads http://lyris.quiltropolis.com/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=thredtalk 491 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 7:14pm Subject: Re: Need Info on current version The latest is 1.03, and the page now says that. Sorry. You can skip an update and the next will still work. Alf patc@e... wrote: > I haven't been downloading all the program updates, > will the latest > update still work? > > The last update on your web page is Vs 1.29 but your > email says Vs 1.3 > is the latest. which is corrent? > -- > > > Pat in Maryland-have MAC will surf > http://www.needleinmotion.com > ***mailto:patc@e... *** > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Museum/1431 > A TBI Caregiver - Walking the Walk > TBI/ABI info site: http://www.tbinet.org -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA 492 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 7:18pm Subject: Re: Layers It had never occurred to me to think of them that way. I think of #1 as being on top and the later numbers as on bottom. Strata? People think so differently, one from another. Caroline wrote: > I think the confusing thing about layers is the name > 'layers'. When you put > a form on 'layer 1', and a 2nd one on 'layer 2', one > would logically expect > layer 2 to stitch out on top of layer 1. Not so. > > If you think about 'layers' as 'areas' (although > there must be a better > word), then it becomes less confusing. -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA 493 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 7:20pm Subject: Re:Amy's Thred lessons You can read Amy's messages in the last few days of ThredHeads by visiting eGroups. There is a link in my signature lines. -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA susan christoffersen wrote: > Hi: I saw reference to some Thred lessons by Amy > Webster. As I, too, am purchasing Thred I would be > very interested in the lessons. I have played with > the demo version and can do a few things, but a lot > of stuff is a mystery. Where can I access the > lessons please? > Thanks. > Sue 494 From: Caroline Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 6:31pm Subject: Re: Layersand lessons all greek Joy, I think that there are just a few necessary keys to know about moving around the design screen - Thred does not use the normal windows interface, but after learning just a few keys, it will suddenly 'click': The 'Z' key - Zoom. Put your cursor where you want the center to be and press Z. The 'X' key - Zoom all the way out. Useful when you're lost (and have got a 'cross hair from hell'). The 'S' key - Move sideways - I think this is the one you might be missing. When you zoom in, then some of the bitmap will be off the screen. If you move your mouse to the right and press S, the position where you had the mouse will now be the center. You can use these keys even in the middle of creating forms. Hope this helps Caroline on the Gold Coast, Australia caroline@a... http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html 495 From: Peggy Wight Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 7:46pm Subject: Re: Layersand lessons all greek Joy, Thats the best laugh I've had all day. I've experienced that cross hair my self and I'm anxiously awaiting the answer to your question, as I play with the demo program. Thanks, Peggy 496 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 7:37pm Subject: Re: Layers and lessons all greek Hi Joyce, >>>>>how to trace the bmps and handle that cross hair from hell that won't turn loose?? <<<<<<<<<<< You need to right click to get the cross hair to turn loose. I think your main problems with Thred is the hand motions, which are different from most programs. Marion's ways are really easy to use, but you need to learn them. My hands fumbled with it for the first two days, and then I never thought about it again. You develop kind skills so that you can think about the fun stuff. Relax, and keep practicing, it will come soon. Then you will find the hotkeys are really a big help, but once again, you have to learn them. I follow my bitmap, making form points as I go, and when the screen ends, I hold my mouse near the edge and hit "S". The screen will Shift when you hit S. You can also hit "M" for mark and then "Z" for zoom so it will zoom in on the mark, which is another favorite of mine. That long stitch will stay with you until you right click, hit "Q" or hit "Esc". It's the thread in your needle. Alf Joyce Sutton wrote: > I have the tuturiols printed out. Does one of them > address the VERY BASIC > issue of how to trace the bmps and handle that cross > hair from hell that > won't turn loose?? If so please tell me which one > and I will do it first.. > I thought this was supposed to be more user friendly > than the Bro program?? > for idiots like me. Please do NOT tell me to get > another program to learn > to use bmps. Too much money has already been spent > unless I can really use > it . > JOY > Ozark Quilting Traditions > Ozarkjoy@m... 497 From: Caroline Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 6:49pm Subject: Re: Re: Layers You're right about people thinking differently! One of us must work upside down! Oh, I get it - I'm in Australia! Although, I don't even use layers as layers - I just use them as a convenient area to put a form that I'm working on, when I don't want any distraction from other forms. I would then move it to another area (read 'layer') to go on to the next form. At the end, if I'm feeling logical, so that I can remember what I did, I might rearrange into 'layers' Alfie wrote: <<>> Caroline on the Gold Coast, Australia caroline@a... http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html 498 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 8:13pm Subject: Re: Layers Dear DownsideUp Caroline. I don't use layers unless I need a place to tuck something out of my way. Dh doesn't like them much either, since they make programming harder, but they serve a real need in cases when you wish to stack several identical forms, which occasionally happens. He put them in in response to a mild temper tizzy I threw one day out of frustration. Sorry. Alf Caroline wrote: > You're right about people thinking differently! One > of us must work upside > down! Oh, I get it - I'm in Australia! > > Although, I don't even use layers as layers - I just > use them as a > convenient area to put a form that I'm working on, > when I don't want any > distraction from other forms. I would then move it > to another area (read > 'layer') to go on to the next form. > > At the end, if I'm feeling logical, so that I can > remember what I did, I > might rearrange into 'layers' > > Alfie wrote: > > << way. I think of #1 as being on top and the later > numbers as on bottom. Strata? People think so > differently, one from another.>>> > > Caroline on the Gold Coast, Australia > caroline@a... > http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html > 499 From: susan christoffersen Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 8:23pm Subject: Manual and New Version Thanks for the replies everyone. After sending the message I came across an e-mail saying the new version was up, so have downloaded it. I have the old manual, so guess I have to download the whole new one to get the updates?????? No problem as I have loads of memory, just don't want to have to print out 60 odd pages to get one or two new ones. Any ideas? For some reason I can't just access the manual via the computer--need a hard copy. Thanks for whatever help someone can give. Sue [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] 500 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 10:12pm Subject: Re: Manual and New Version Marion wrote a page for the website about this sort of problem. http://www.thredworks.com/hlpopt.htm Maybe something there will help you. Do you have Internet Explorer 5 or newer on your computer? You don't have to use it, but if it's on the computer you ought to be able to get the Help files to work for you. They have the same words in them as the manual. Have you tried using the Adobe Acrobat version of the User's manual? Marion says the first change in the manual is on page 38, if that is any help. Alf > For some reason I can't just access the manual via > the computer--need a hard copy. > Thanks for whatever help someone can give. > Sue -- Alfie McCoskey, 501 From: Joyce Iverson Date: Wed Jan 10, 2001 9:54pm Subject: Re: Re:Joyce's questions Thanks Alfie, I don't mind who answers!--just as long as someone does. With that said, I finished digitizing Belle tonight and am very pleased with it and what I learned about the program, and will know for sure how it is when I sew it out. After doing this, the Gardenia tutorial now makes a lot more sense to me. I have done all the tutorials that you and Carolyn, and the videos-etc, have offered, but tonight it is all starting to make sense and I think I can look at the whole program more intelligently now and actually start using it on my own designs. Thanks for this boost to get started. Joyce in NW WA 502 From: Caroline Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 2:17am Subject: Candlewicking Stitch I've made a new step by step on my web page to create a 'candlewicking' stitch. http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html It's only to create the stitch, not how to put the stitch along a clipboard border. To do that, have a look at the design I've created with the candlewick stitch, which may illustrate how to do the border. There are other ways to do a 'candlewick' stitch. Mine may not be the best, but the 123 does illustrate how to create a stitch for clipboard fill. Hope it helps. Caroline on the Gold Coast, Australia caroline@a... http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html 503 From: Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 2:21am Subject: Re: Digest Number 59 In a message dated 1/9/2001 9:12:42 PM Central Standard Time, Thredheads@egroups.com writes: << I am really interested in doing this but like others when I looked at the BMP I didn't know where to start. I have looked at it a long time but so far nothing is happening. :) >> I truly laughed out loud. Boy have I been there, and still am at many times. This is such a wonderful challenge for all us beginners. And the help that is available to all of us is simply amazing. I'm anxiously awaiting every new part. Trudie Cool and rainy in Texas 504 From: Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 2:22am Subject: Re: Digest Number 59 In a message dated 1/9/2001 9:12:42 PM Central Standard Time, Thredheads@egroups.com writes: << Amy, Yeeeeaaaah!!!! This is exactly what so many need! You do such a nice job! What a help you are. Thanks! Joyce >> I ditto that one! Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge! God Bless You! Trudie 505 From: Lillie Cotham Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 7:22am Subject: RE: Sort forms Hi, I am having a problem with getting Thred to sort the forms. I probably am doing something wrong, but can't figure out what. Here is what I do: I hit the / then put the number of the form in the box that appears and press enter. I do this until I have the forms in the order I want them to sew out, then I press shift + F3. Problem is, they don't sew out in the order I put them in when I view the movie. What am I doing wrong? Help please! Pulling out hair! Lillie 506 From: Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 2:35am Subject: Re: Digest Number 60 In a message dated 1/10/2001 11:06:15 AM Central Standard Time, Thredheads@egroups.com writes: << So you don't need to stretch them - just reload them. >> Caroline, that was the problem I had on that Christmas horn. Thanks for knocking me on the head with the answer. Just puzzled the heck out of me. I'm back and ready to go! Trudie 507 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 9:17am Subject: New URL for EmBird Good Morning, Dusan Balara sent us a new URL for EmBird today. Their website is the same, but they have moved it to a new host server (in New Mexico, USA). Please change your bookmarks. I 'll change the links on our website next. http://www.embird.com/ Alf -- 508 From: Amy Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 9:43am Subject: Re: Digest Number 61 Joyce, that step probably should have been combined with the step before, which was to go to the last stitch in the first form. Then when you hit the spacebar you can change the long jump into individual stitches. Sometimes it is better to do this after all the fills are done. I think that the Clipboard fill does the best that it can with the size of the design that you are using. I found it necessary to extend my line beyond the edge about the length of one motif to get a complete fill...the other choice here is to set the last couple of stitches by hand. Amy Webster GO SEW! http://www.napanet.net/~atwebs atwebs@n... 509 From: Amy Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 10:00am Subject: Re: Digest Number 61 Joy, Sounds as if you are stuck on the manipulation of the tool. First, I would recommend that you use a combination of z(to zoom) and x(to move away) from the object rather than trying to use the mouse to scroll with the handles on the edges. Everytime I do that I wind up with a point in my form that is stuck to the edge of the frame...and heaven knows I have tried that enough, since that is how the Pfaff program works best. As long as you don't have a tool (like the form cursor) those scroll buttons work fine. So, use z & x get the to the portion of the design that you wish to outline in the visual portion of the screen while you are outlining. Go to Form>Free Hand and begin by placing the stitches with a mouse click. When you get to the end of the area that you want, right click. At that point a different colored square should appear. When the square around the form is visible, you can fill the form or add a border to it. Right click again to drop the "highlighting". The little square that you see marks the beginning and ending point of that form (and where it will fill). You can resize the form from this "highlighted" square, fill it, move it...all sorts of wonderful things. Amy Webster GO SEW! http://www.napanet.net/~atwebs atwebs@n... 510 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 10:10am Subject: Re: Caroline's Candlewicking Stitch This is delightful, Caroline. Once again, we owe you thanks. I have been planning to do a candlewick design sometime. Maybe this will get me started. Alf Caroline wrote: > I've made a new step by step on my web page to create > a 'candlewicking' > stitch. > > http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html > > It's only to create the stitch, not how to put the > stitch along a clipboard > border. To do that, have a look at the design I've > created with the > candlewick stitch, which may illustrate how to do the > border. > > There are other ways to do a 'candlewick' stitch. > Mine may not be the best, > but the 123 does illustrate how to create a stitch > for clipboard fill. > > Hope it helps. > > Caroline on the Gold Coast, Australia > caroline@a... > http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html > -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA 511 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 10:12am Subject: Caroline has made a candlewick stitch lesson http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html Caroline's new lesson is very good. I learned things I didn't know about Thred. -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA mailto:mmcky@p... http://www.thredworks.com/ http://lyris.quiltropolis.com/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=thredtalk 512 From: Amy Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 11:03am Subject: Re: Digest Number 62 To any and all of those who got lost while I was giving directions...my apologies. I was doing the design while writing the guide, and since I am also learning the program kept getting side lined. I am one who wants to know the rules...why something works the way it does, and sometimes the distractions are such that you actually forget what you are doing. I recommend that anyone who is learning a program do a lot of "playing", just like Caroline mentioned doing with the .bmps. What happens when I do this...and what happens when I do that? Now, why did that just happen? Can I do it again? I also spend a lot of time starting over when I am learning a new program. I get to a certain stage, decide I have made so many errors that it will never work and go back and start over. Makes life difficult, but the practice you get doing the same stuff all over really helps to make the lesson "gel". So, that is my confession. I actually restarted "belle" three different times, sort of using my instructions to see if what I said was right. I did get the basket and hat redone with a neat basket weave clipboard fill and am going to stitch her out right now. Amy Webster GO SEW! http://www.napanet.net/~atwebs atwebs@n... 513 From: Amy Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 11:20am Subject: Re: clipboard fills I did a clip board fill with the new upgrade for the belle design. What I did was set the grid (in preferences) to 1mm, so I would know the size of the stitches I was setting. Then zoomed (z) in until I could see it well, set the stitches and copied them to the clipboard (ctrl-c). From there is was an easy step to open the belle design and refill (clipboard-horizontal) the hat and the basket. Worked out really well. Amy Webster GO SEW! 514 From: mckyyy Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 11:51am Subject: RE: Sort Hi Lillie, << I am having a problem with getting Thred to sort the forms. ,,, Problem is, they don't sew out in the order I put them in when I view the movie. >> If I understand what you are saying correctly, you can get the sort to work OK, but when you stitch out the design, you don't see what you saw in the movie. I would guess this might be a version control problem. For example, if you have accidentally set your auxiliary file type to DST and are stitching out on a Pfaff, you would not update the PCS file when you save. Of course it might be something else altogether, but it's hard for me to imagine a bug that would cause Thred to show one thing in the movie and put something else in the files it saves to disk. I hope this helps, Marion 515 From: Joyce Iverson Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 12:11pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 61 Thanks Amy, Alfie answered and I was able to solve it and got it finished!! You do good on your explanations and I was able to get belle all digitized, just need to load it down to SM and try sewing it out now. Thanks a whole bunch! Joyce > Joyce, that step probably should have been combined with the step before, > which was to go to the last stitch in the first form. Then when you hit the > spacebar you can change the long jump into individual stitches. Sometimes > it is better to do this after all the fills are done. > > I think that the Clipboard fill does the best that it can with the size of > the design that you are using. I found it necessary to extend my line > beyond the edge about the length of one motif to get a complete fill...the > other choice here is to set the last couple of stitches by hand. > Amy Webster > GO SEW! > http://www.napanet.net/~atwebs > atwebs@n... > 516 From: Joyce Iverson Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 12:30pm Subject: explanation! One of the things that was throwing me off as I started and restarted and restarted again to learn this program and in doing the lesson yesterday it clicked in what I needed to do, so thought I'd share that for the new ones trying to get started, too. I thought I had to click form and choose Free Form and do the design, and discovered that each segment I wanted to digitize, I have to click Form and do a new form for each piece, then things started to come together! Form for the face, form for the neck, form for the arm, etc, etc. Maybe this will help those that have been trying to do it like I was. Like doing a flower, you will have a form for each petal, etc. Hope this helps some of you newbies out there. Joyce 517 From: Lillie Cotham Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 12:53pm Subject: Re: RE: Sort I had several forms made and decided I wanted them to sew out in a certain order. When I set the order for them, did the shift + F3, them clicked on the form, it would show the correct form number for it. But, when I hit i to view the movie, it (the movie) didn't stitch out in the correct order. I didn't try an actual stitch out on the machine. Hope this makes sense. Lillie > From: mckyyy mckyyy@p... > To: thredheads@egroups.com Thredheads@egroups.com > Subject: [Thredheads] RE: Sort > Date: Thursday, January 11, 2001 1:51 PM > > Hi Lillie, > > << > I am having a problem with getting Thred > to sort the forms. ,,, Problem is, they > don't sew out in the order I put them in > when I view the movie. > >> > > If I understand what you are saying > correctly, you can get the sort to work > OK, but when you stitch out the design, > you don't see what you saw in the movie. > > I would guess this might be a version > control problem. For example, if you > have accidentally set your auxiliary > file type to DST and are stitching out > on a Pfaff, you would not update the PCS > file when you save. > > Of course it might be something else > altogether, but it's hard for me to > imagine a bug that would cause Thred to > show one thing in the movie and put > something else in the files it saves to > disk. > > I hope this helps, > ? Marion ? 518 From: Caroline Date: Thu Jan 11, 2001 7:38pm Subject: Re: RE: Sort (longish) Lillie, You wrote: <<<<>>> Thred will sort into color order before form order. Perhaps this is your problem? For example, in a new file, create a form with color number 4 (numbering down from the top left of your color bar), then create a form with color number 2, You should now have form 0 with color 4, and form 1 with color 2. You can see the colors chosen in a ribbon down the very right hand side of the screen. When you do the movie ' I ' , they will stitch in the order you created them. Now, looking at the color bar on the right hand side, press Shift F3 (or edit / sort / by form). The colors reverse into the color order shown on the left hand side of the screen, and form 1 will stitch out before form 0, because the color order is more important. Is that your problem? This is actually a good feature of Thred, as long as you know about it. You can change colour number 2 (for example) to be anything you want by clicking on the second column of colors to change it. The color on the very left will stay dark blue, but the color on the right and the color in your design will change to be what you wanted. A tip to use this feature: When you're working on a design with several colors, and you want to movie out color number 6 in the middle, the movie will go through colors 1 - 5 first. I usually start digitising using color number 2 (leaving number 1 for playing with). So, I can left click on the color 6 on the right hand color ribbon, which selects all of that color, left click on color 1 on the left hand color bar, which changes the color to be color 1. Now Shift F3. The movie will stitch out that color first. When I've finished, I just change the color back to number 6 and shift F3. Did anybody out there understand that, or am I talking greek again! (Alfie probably has a much better way of doing this?) Caroline on the Gold Coast, Australia caroline@a... http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html 519 From: Joyce Sutton Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 1:39am Subject: Re: Re: Layers and lessons all greek okay I traced the face and hands and did fill and interesting-I think it may be right? Now to tredex3 1 Open a new design and set the sititches and then she described the stitch. great. I have the first stuff saved . Do I hit file/ new? set a stitch. duh break that down into readable componets please. Ozark Quilting Traditions Ozarkjoy@m... ult 1 520 From: Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 2:10am Subject: My goodness! Gee, I turn my back for a week, return to egroups to see what anyone and everyone has been up to, and there were over 120 posts!!! And all that spare time on my hands! I'm on my way to downloading the bitmaps, then visit Caroline's site...I love candlewicking by hand. Can't wait to see how to machine stitch it! Then find the newest version and install it. Then practice, practice, practice! I cut and paste all questions and answers, print them out, and put them in a binder behind the printed manual. (I can hardly lift it, but everything I need to know is in there!) You are all marvelous! This is a great idea. --Judy, the latecomer. :) 521 From: Deb & Bob Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 3:57am Subject: Manual Update Hi! Alf, I can't seem to get the Microsoft Word manual download to work. When I click on it, it takes me to a "The page cannot be found". I don't use netscape, so the link to the HTML page doesn't work for me. I can use the Adobe Acrobat though. Hope to be able to start the lessons soon. Debora P.S. Keep up the good work! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfie McCoskey" mmcky@p... To: Thredheads@egroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Thredheads] Thred > Maybe you need to Hit "Refresh" in your browser > window. Version 1.030 is up and the manual update > too- the manual link looks the same, but the file is > the new one. Marion tells me he checked, but I > haven't. > I'm glad to see the group buy members joining us. > > Alf > > susan christoffersen wrote: > > > Hi: I thought I saw reference to a new version of > > Thred being posted. I checked the site a day or so > > ago and the latest seems to be 1.29--is there a newer > > version. Also I thought that updates to the manual > > were going to be posted separately. Is this the > > case? I am in the process of purchasing Thred so > > want to have the latest versions, changes to manual > > etc. Can't wait to be able to use the full version > > (i.e. save stuff too). > > Sue > > -- > Alfie McCoskey, > Chico, CA > mailto:mmcky@p... > http://www.thredworks.com/ > http://www.egroups.com/group/Thredheads > http://lyris.quiltropolis.com/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=thredtalk > 522 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 9:09am Subject: RE: Sort (longish) No, Alfie doesn't have a better way of doing that, she never even thought of doing it. I look at sections of the movie by zooming in and them moving the slider at top to the right for a faster movie. The movie if set to run in the same amount of time, unless you change it. I don't like the movie for detailed examination. It leaves stitches to the other parts on the screen and that confuses me. I'm hooked on "Up To". I like to turn that on, right click on the color of choice (right hand color ribbon), and hit "home". That puts me at the start of the color, and I arrow through, using the right and left arrow keys. Then if I want to change a stitch it's so easy to know which one. I do it as I arrow through. Alf Caroline wrote: > Lillie, > > You wrote: > <<<< them to sew out in a > certain order. When I set the order for them, did the > shift + F3, them > clicked on > the form, it would show the correct form number for > it. But, when I hit i > to view the movie, it (the movie) didn't stitch out > in the correct order. I > didn't try an actual stitch out on the machine. >>>> > > Thred will sort into color order before form order. > Perhaps this is your > problem? > > For example, in a new file, create a form with color > number 4 (numbering > down from the top left of your color bar), then > create a form with color > number 2, You should now have form 0 with color 4, > and form 1 with color 2. > > You can see the colors chosen in a ribbon down the > very right hand side of > the screen. When you do the movie ' I ' , they will > stitch in the order you > created them. > > Now, looking at the color bar on the right hand > side, press Shift F3 (or > edit / sort / by form). The colors reverse into the > color order shown on > the left hand side of the screen, and form 1 will > stitch out before form 0, > because the color order is more important. > > Is that your problem? > > This is actually a good feature of Thred, as long as > you know about it. You > can change colour number 2 (for example) to be > anything you want by clicking > on the second column of colors to change it. The > color on the very left > will stay dark blue, but the color on the right and > the color in your design > will change to be what you wanted. > > A tip to use this feature: > > When you're working on a design with several colors, > and you want to movie > out color number 6 in the middle, the movie will go > through colors 1 - 5 > first. I usually start digitising using color number > 2 (leaving number 1 > for playing with). > So, I can left click on the color 6 on the right hand > color ribbon, which > selects all of that color, left click on color 1 on > the left hand color bar, > which changes the color to be color 1. Now Shift > F3. The movie will stitch > out that color first. > When I've finished, I just change the color back to > number 6 and shift F3. > > Did anybody out there understand that, or am I > talking greek again! > > (Alfie probably has a much better way of doing this?) > > Caroline on the Gold Coast, Australia > caroline@a... > http://home.austarnet.com.au/caroline/thred.html > -- Alfie McCoskey, 523 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 9:28am Subject: Re: Manual Update Sorry, it looks like we have lots of details to fix. We're getting reports that the color boxes won't select so you can change colors, and I found a bug in the clipboard fill yesterday. Maion will have to fix the manual problem, it works on a batch file, and that's his job. More later. Deb & Bob wrote: > Hi! Alf, > I can't seem to get the Microsoft Word manual > download to work. When I click > on it, it takes me to a "The page cannot be found". > I don't use netscape, so the link to the HTML page > doesn't work for me. > I can use the Adobe Acrobat though. > Hope to be able to start the lessons soon. > Debora > P.S. Keep up the good work! > > -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA mailto:mmcky@p... http://www.thredworks.com/ http://www.egroups.com/group/Thredheads http://lyris.quiltropolis.com/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=thredtalk 524 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 9:39am Subject: work around for clipboard problem Until we can get the bug fix version ready, you might run into a problem with the clipboard horizontal and angle fills. Sometimes the fill will have lines of straight stitches between the clips. When Thred processes these fills it rotates the form, fills it, then rotates it back. If the form is rotated off the bottom of the screen, it won't fill correctly. Work around this problem by moving the form higher in the stitch window, or temporarily making the hoop size larger. Sorry for the inconvenience, but progress is often messy. Marion and Alfie -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA mailto:mmcky@p... http://www.thredworks.com/ http://www.egroups.com/group/Thredheads http://lyris.quiltropolis.com/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=thredtalk 525 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 10:50am Subject: Re: Ozark Joyce's questions Layers and lessons all greek Hi Joyce, Do I understand your question correctly? Are you asking how to put the stitches on the clipboard? Save your file, but first select the stitches and hit "Control C". Then open the new file and fill your form. "File/new" will give you a blank file. Load a bitmap into it by "Edit/load Bitmap", make a form by selecting "Form/Freehand" or the kind of form you want. Then you can fill it. 1. To set stitches you can either start setting stitches immediately when you open the file, by left clicking the mouse. or , 2, you can "Add" stitches onto the end of other stitches on the screen or, 3, you can insert stitches by selecting one where you want the new stitches to start, then hitting the "space" bar, and left clicking the mouse with it pointed where you want your new stitches to go. Does any of this answer the question you were trying to ask? ALf Joyce Sutton wrote: > okay > I traced the face and hands and did fill and > interesting-I think it may be > right? Now to tredex3 > 1 Open a new design and set the sititches and then > she described the stitch. > great. I have the first stuff saved . Do I hit > file/ new? set a stitch. > duh break that down into readable componets please. > Ozark Quilting Traditions > Ozarkjoy@m... > ult 1 Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA 526 From: Joyce Sutton Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 11:39am Subject: Re: Re: Ozark Joyce's questions Layers and lessons all greek No My question is how to make the stitchess. once made I can get them to the clipboard without problems(oh yeah says me) In the inst titled Thred Ex3 Amy state"I set a half circle then back across itself and then wagon wheel like spokes" 1. How does she set a half circle? 2. what is back across itself 3. and then wagon wheel like spokes? Ozark Quilting Traditions Ozarkjoy@m... ult 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfie McCoskey" mmcky@p... To: Thredheads@egroups.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:50 PM Subject: [Thredheads] Re: Ozark Joyce's questions Layers and lessons all greek > Hi Joyce, > > Do I understand your question correctly? Are you > asking how to put the stitches on the clipboard? Save > your file, but first select the stitches and hit > "Control C". Then open the new file and fill your > form. > "File/new" will give you a blank file. Load a bitmap > into it by "Edit/load Bitmap", make a form by selecting > "Form/Freehand" or the kind of form you want. Then you > can fill it. > > 1. To set stitches you can either start setting > stitches immediately when you open the file, by left > clicking the mouse. > > or , > 2, you can "Add" stitches onto the end of other > stitches on the screen > > or, > 3, you can insert stitches by selecting one where you > want the new stitches to start, then hitting the > "space" bar, and left clicking the mouse with it > pointed where you want your new stitches to go. > > Does any of this answer the question you were trying > to ask? > > ALf > > Joyce Sutton wrote: > > > okay > > I traced the face and hands and did fill and > > interesting-I think it may be > > right? Now to tredex3 > > 1 Open a new design and set the sititches and then > > she described the stitch. > > great. I have the first stuff saved . Do I hit > > file/ new? set a stitch. > > duh break that down into readable componets please. > > Ozark Quilting Traditions > > Ozarkjoy@m... > > ult 1 > > Alfie McCoskey, > Chico, CA > 527 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 12:04pm Subject: Re: hearts For Trudie and the rest of you beginners, the heart bipmap is not so hard. I did one yesterday, and will post it today. They you can download mine. You have my permission to "save as" a different file name and "borrow" my forms. Fill them as you like, just so long as they are different from mine. You can cut and paste the forms into another file, so the designer name will be yours. I'll start the work on the webpage now. Alfie tcaseppl@a... wrote: > In a message dated 1/9/2001 9:12:42 PM Central > Standard Time, > Thredheads@egroups.com writes: > > << I am really interested in doing this but like > others when I looked at the > BMP > I didn't know where to start. I have looked at it a > long time but so far > nothing is happening. :) > >> > I truly laughed out loud. Boy have I been there, and > still am at many times. > This is such a wonderful challenge for all us > beginners. And the help that > is available to all of us is simply amazing. I'm > anxiously awaiting every > new part. > Trudie > Cool and rainy in Texas -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA mailto:mmcky@p... http://www.thredworks.com/ http://www.egroups.com/group/Thredheads http://lyris.quiltropolis.com/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=thredtalk 528 From: Amy Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 12:31pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 63 Darn...I didn't save copies of the little lessons, so I am not sure what step you are on. Perhaps...making the lace edging for the skirt? After we opened the new design and set the little stitches for the clipboard border we hit Ctrl + C (which saved them to the clipboard). Then we reopened the original design, used Form>Line to outline the bottom edge of the skirt and used Fill>Border>Clipboard to set a row of "lace". Sound about right! Then onto setting the forms for the next part of the design. In this case that would be the dress. Amy Webster GO SEW! http://www.napanet.net/~atwebs atwebs@n... 529 From: Deb & Bob Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 12:22pm Subject: Re: Re: Manual Update No problem - thanks for getting back to me. I'm busy sorting all the e-mail I've printed out for several months and pages I've copied from Caroline's site. Hoping to be able to have time to do the Sun Bonnet Belle from Amy. Debora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfie McCoskey" mmcky@p... To: Thredheads@egroups.com Cc: "AMarion" mckyyy@p... Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 12:28 PM Subject: [Thredheads] Re: Manual Update > Sorry, it looks like we have lots of details to fix. > We're getting reports that the color boxes won't select > so you can change colors, and I found a bug in the > clipboard fill yesterday. Maion will have to fix the > manual problem, it works on a batch file, and that's > his job. > More later. > > Deb & Bob wrote: > > > Hi! Alf, > > I can't seem to get the Microsoft Word manual > > download to work. When I click > > on it, it takes me to a "The page cannot be found". > > I don't use netscape, so the link to the HTML page > > doesn't work for me. > > I can use the Adobe Acrobat though. > > Hope to be able to start the lessons soon. > > Debora > > P.S. Keep up the good work! > > > > > > -- > Alfie McCoskey, > Chico, CA > 530 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 12:00pm Subject: Re: Ozark Joyce's questions Layers and lessons allgreek I don't know exactly what Amy's clipboard edge for her Belle's skirt looks like, but I can imagine how I might do it. How about this: imagine an orange cut into a slice, then the slice cut in half. Now make form points or set stitches along the edge of the orange rind. Not too close. It's easy to make stitches too small on screen. They look good on screen but stitch badly. It may look angular, not round, but that's OK. Now set some across the top back toward the middle. At the top center, you could make a stitch point across the slice on the rind end of the "spoke" then another stitch back up at the center top, and repeat until you have the "sections" of the imaginary orange outlined, then one more to the beginning point, and back across to the end. So your clip looks like a half wagon wheel, and the first stitch is on one top corner and the last is on the other corner. Does that help? Alf Joyce Sutton wrote: > No > My question is how to make the stitchess. once made > I can get them to the > clipboard without problems(oh yeah says me) > In the inst titled Thred Ex3 Amy state"I set a half > circle then back across > itself and then wagon wheel like spokes" > 1. How does she set a half circle? > 2. what is back across itself > 3. and then wagon wheel like spokes? > Ozark Quilting Traditions > Ozarkjoy@m... > u 531 From: David & Sandy Erickson Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 2:01pm Subject: understanding layers To me the concept of layers makes sense since the original probably came about from blueprints, and CAD drawing on architectural drawings. (that is my guess anyway.) They would have a plumbing layer, and an electrical layer, and a sheetrock layer.... etc. Now some of the plumbing goes over the electrical and the sheetrock over all but they draw them in layers. maybe that will help someone. Sandy 532 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 2:38pm Subject: cross post: ThredX designs up We just uploaded the first three designs in the exchange. Keep them coming, and I'll get them up as they arrive. Alf -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA 533 From: Karen Evenson Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:03pm Subject: Hooray for the new clipboard fill! Even if you have found some bugs, I am finally able to use it in a way that makes sense this week. Thanks to Amy, Caroline, and Alfie for all the work on writing the lessons this week. The new clipboard is such an improvement over the "delete all the fill stitches outside the form" that was recommended by PCD lessons. I feel like I'm making real progress with Thred. Karen in DE 534 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 4:43pm Subject: Re: understanding layers Sandy, I suspect Marion came to the layers idea from CAD and graphics programs. The only house he built was made without blueprints. He's always liked to do things his own way. Your explaination is a nice way of seeing how layers can be used. Alfie David & Sandy Erickson wrote: > To me the concept of layers makes sense since the > original probably came > about from blueprints, and CAD drawing on > architectural drawings. (that is > my guess anyway.) They would have a plumbing layer, > and an electrical > layer, and a sheetrock layer.... etc. Now some of > the plumbing goes over > the electrical and the sheetrock over all but they > draw them in layers. > maybe that will help someone. > Sandy -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA mailto:mmcky@p... http://www.thredworks.com/ http://lyris.quiltropolis.com/scripts/lyris.pl?enter=thredtalk 535 From: Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 5:57pm Subject: new to threds software I am relatively new to computer also. I have finally managed to load bitmap into threds. I have watched the video of Caroline's how to do the hexagon. To make the form. I am not sure how to do the form from the drawing that I just loaded in. What is the next step. my drawing is a line drawing of a hand. I have set my paremeter for the hoop size as 130x180 I have a Pe Design version 3. to work with. Any suggestion will be appreciated. Judy 536 From: Joyce Sutton Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 9:36pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 63 I am at 1 opened the new design for the clip fill for the lace edging. 2.set the stitches. I know that sounds basic to you and you just go on and do it. Well how? form?line?free? Alfie says make an orange slice 0kay how? She said something about too small a stitch. I thought I set that already in the preferences? When I say basic don't let you hand out run my mind grin) I mean really basic. I have NO graphic experience NONE. I have never tried to learn anyother digitizing program either. I don't even understand your terminology yet. SET A STITCH what does that mean? I was having difficulty affording the $100+ cards from Bro well I may rethink that. This is day 3 and I haven't got the 3rd step yet. I have got to the third step in Pedesign. I can import a scanned obj and thin it out and bring that to THred. Ozark Quilting Traditions Ozarkjoy@m... ult 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy" atwebs@n... To: Thredheads@egroups.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Thredheads] Digest Number 63 > Darn...I didn't save copies of the little lessons, so I am not sure what > step you are on. > > Perhaps...making the lace edging for the skirt? After we opened the new > design and set the little stitches for the clipboard border we hit Ctrl + C > (which saved them to the clipboard). Then we reopened the original design, > used Form>Line to outline the bottom edge of the skirt and used > Fill>Border>Clipboard to set a row of "lace". Sound about right! > > Then onto setting the forms for the next part of the design. In this case > that would be the dress. > Amy Webster > GO SEW! > http://www.napanet.net/~atwebs > atwebs@n... > 537 From: Joyce Sutton Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 9:36pm Subject: Re: Digest Number 63 I am at 1 opened the new design for the clip fill for the lace edging. 2.set the stitches. I know that sounds basic to you and you just go on and do it. Well how? form?line?free? Alfie says make an orange slice 0kay how? She said something about too small a stitch. I thought I set that already in the preferences? When I say basic don't let you hand out run my mind grin) I mean really basic. I have NO graphic experience NONE. I have never tried to learn anyother digitizing program either. I don't even understand your terminology yet. SET A STITCH what does that mean? I was having difficulty affording the $100+ cards from Bro well I may rethink that. This is day 3 and I haven't got the 3rd step yet. I have got to the third step in Pedesign. I can import a scanned obj and thin it out and bring that to THred. Ozark Quilting Traditions Ozarkjoy@m... ult 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy" atwebs@n... To: Thredheads@egroups.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Thredheads] Digest Number 63 > Darn...I didn't save copies of the little lessons, so I am not sure what > step you are on. > > Perhaps...making the lace edging for the skirt? After we opened the new > design and set the little stitches for the clipboard border we hit Ctrl + C > (which saved them to the clipboard). Then we reopened the original design, > used Form>Line to outline the bottom edge of the skirt and used > Fill>Border>Clipboard to set a row of "lace". Sound about right! > > Then onto setting the forms for the next part of the design. In this case > that would be the dress. > Amy Webster > GO SEW! > http://www.napanet.net/~atwebs > atwebs@n... 538 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 10:33pm Subject: Re: new to threds software Hi Judy, You may not want to make your design as large as your hoop. Do you want a hand that big? It might take a long time to stitch. If it were me, might make a custom hoop size that was small enough that the design was just the size you want on your garment, then reload that bitmap. By now you should have plenty of practice at that. Then you need a form. Select "Form/freehand", then left click each place the form needs to curve. Right click when you are done. You should have a hand with little boxes each place you clikced. Now right click to select it and then use "Fill/vertical" . Actually, you cna use several fills, but that one is simple. That ought to do for you to go on with. Let us know when you need more advice. Alf gumboz@b... wrote: > I am relatively new to computer also. > > I have finally managed to load bitmap into threds. > > I have watched the video of Caroline's how to do the > hexagon. To > make the form. > > I am not sure how to do the form from the drawing > that I just loaded > in. What is the next step. my drawing is a line > drawing of a hand. > > I have set my paremeter for the hoop size as 130x180 > I have a Pe > Design version 3. to work with. > > Any suggestion will be appreciated. > Judy -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA 539 From: Alfie McCoskey Date: Fri Jan 12, 2001 10:48pm Subject: Re: basic stitch making 101 Howdy Joyce, To set a stitch, in a new empty file, you can just start left clicking and it makes stitches- see the needle cursor? To set a stitch in afile that is not empty hit "Add" and the stitch goes on the end- then left click for each stitch. It will be placewd where the cursor is pointed. Once you can do that, write back and we can discuss inserting a stitch. (same but for where you start). Alf Joyce Sutton wrote: > I am at > 1 opened the new design for the clip fill for the lace edging. > 2.set the stitches. > I know that sounds basic to you and you just go on and do it. > Well how? form?line?free? Alfie says make an orange slice 0kay how? > She said something about too small a stitch. I thought I set that already > in the preferences? > When I say basic don't let you hand out run my mind grin) I mean really > basic. I have NO graphic experience NONE. I have never tried to learn > anyother digitizing program either. I don't even understand your > terminology yet. SET A STITCH what does that mean? > > I was having difficulty affording the $100+ cards from Bro well I may > rethink that. This is day 3 and I haven't got the 3rd step yet. I have got > to the third step in Pedesign. I can import a scanned obj and thin it out > and bring that to THred. > > Ozark Quilting Traditions > Ozarkjoy@m... > ult 1 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy" atwebs@n... > To: Thredheads@egroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 2:31 PM > Subject: Re: [Thredheads] Digest Number 63 > > > Darn...I didn't save copies of the little lessons, so I am not sure what > > step you are on. > > > > Perhaps...making the lace edging for the skirt? After we opened the new > > design and set the little stitches for the clipboard border we hit Ctrl + > C > > (which saved them to the clipboard). Then we reopened the original > design, > > used Form>Line to outline the bottom edge of the skirt and used > > Fill>Border>Clipboard to set a row of "lace". Sound about right! > > > > Then onto setting the forms for the next part of the design. In this case > > that would be the dress. > > Amy Webster > > GO SEW! > > http://www.napanet.net/~atwebs > > atwebs@n... > > -- Alfie McCoskey, Chico, CA mailto:mmcky@p... http://www.thredworks.com/ http://www.egroups.com/group/Thredheads http://lyr